Sunday, September 24, 2006

Calling Out My Critic

Anonymous said...
Guys like John Baez do real physics research. You play at doing physics research.

I've been a very respectful follower of John Baez for more years than I'd care to admit, and I have on many occassions reached for his wisdom when an authoritative "appeal" was needed, because I could always count on him for the most conservative mainstream approach to doing *honest* physics. I have great respect for his ability to communicate and teach, as well, in fact, it was one of his negative mass puzzles that helped me to understand what I had found here:

a href=http://www.lns.cornell.edu/spr/2003-08/msg0053200.html

That's the simple truth, and no amount of claiming any scientist who counters your fringe theories are 'wilfully ignorant' will change that.

That's the problem, they don't. Read the linked articles to the physicist moderated research group, they DON'T counter anything, just as you've yet to offer anything except spout-off with zero meaningful content. You act like you've read enough of my blog to have the opinion that a valid working model of the most natural extension of Einstein's general theory with a cosmological constant, is "fringe".

You just don't get it, you clowns are the ones that let me down, (if I seem just a little cynical). I did nothing wrong. I was just studying gravity and following along with everybody else. You are the ones that continually fail to recognize that I have repeatedly given sufficient evidence to warrent that Einstein deserves another little look-see before you can claim a damned thing:

Back to 1917
Back 2
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Back 4

The Second Law of Thermodynamics says that "god" doesn't throw dice
Real Objects of Negative Orthodoxy, not Mass

If I'm "playing", then the rest of you are just hopelessly lost in la-la fairy-land, just like John Horgan says.

And just an FYI, but it was Brandon Carter who called your anti-anthropic mentality "anticentrist dogma", so don't blame me for verifying that he was absolutely correct until you've actually produced an argument that proves him wrong.

You're a great comedian though. All this AP stuff is comedy gold. It's kept me amused for ages.

Your idea of constructive criticism is right on par with the rest of what I've run into lately. Come back when you're ready to offer something besides absolutely meaningless rhetoric, because issue avoidance is real common and cheap, thanks anyway.

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Anonymous said...

And, yet again, we have an example of how you just go and post lots and lots of links rather than just producing one paper that would cause those you spam to look at you with a bit more respect.

You see, a lot of physicists hold grants worth hundreds of thousands of dollars from the DoE, the NSF and other organisations. Clearly, the government takes them seriously enough to give them money to pursue the avenues of research you claim are dead ends.

Now, you wonder, why would they choose to do this? Well, aside from simple human curiosity, particle physics creates spinoff technologies that could have some other use outside of physics. It's not just blue-sky research that you're decrying, it appears, but also human innovation. In fact, the internet is a spinoff of the 'go-nowhere' research you so often condemn.

Come to think of it, I have a question. Why didn't you just carry on studying until you were in a position to put forth your, ah, 'uncoventional' views? Somehow I think you'd get a bit more respect if you'd had a professional career before coming up with your claims, rather than just throwing together a website and threadcrapping all the time.

I've seen people try and counter your theories, and rather than argue with them in a constructive way, you come up with insults. And you're going to say that I've done just that, but well... I wasn't expecting any sensible discussion here.

You see, anyone who does study physics professionally will have their own opinions, but they usually advance them in a way with detailed points in the form of scientific papers that at least contain some math, rather than just words and pictures.

And you're one to talk about meaningless rhetoric - 'wilful denial', 'anticentrist dogma' always seem to pop up when you attack your critics. I've never ever seen any form of serious academic research come from you, just slogans. I seem to recall that some people from a financial company in Argentina managed to publish something in arXiv, so why couldn't you?

I'm just looking forward to reading more blogspam, anyway. What do they say? 'Spam is the filling of the sandwich of the internet' or something like that?

As I said... keep up the comedy routine...

I also have some ideas about where you could find collaborators, though.

http://www.thefinaltheory.com - Mark McCutcheon's work would strike a chord with you, surely.

http://www.aias.us/ - and of course, you might even be able to get a post at AIAS.

I have some dead ends to go explore anyway. Neodarwinian anti-centrism is clearly the wave of the future.

T DWORSKY said...

All I want to do here is comment on your most recent post but for some reason you don't allow comments on new posts. What would einstein have to say about that? He would certainly allow comments on every post at any time. But, tell me, where have you broken ground here?

island said...

And, yet again, we have an example of how you just go and post lots and lots of links rather than just producing one paper that would cause those you spam to look at you with a bit more respect.

Bla Bla Bla... no idiot, those links are to articles that were peer reviewed by physicists after getting past the pre-screening PhD physicist moderator.

(Now watch as Anonymous claims that I called him names when he tried to shoot me down)

The moderators are only humnan and they don't get paid to do it, so they make no guarantees, but that argument might fly once or twice, not 15 or twenty times concerning the same subject. After the article gets past the moderator it's gets tossed out into a dogpound of animals that live to eat you alive... IF THEY CAN, which they obviously could not, if you bothered to actually click the button.

Why is it that my so-called "critics" never take me up on it when I offer to take their bullshit to the moderated forum?

Guess what I just called you an idiot because you fully deserved it, moron.

Guess what, I just called you a moron because you apparently can't offer anything more than baseless bullshit accusations and lame appeals to authority, instead of addressing the physics.

Guess what, you're no different than the rest of the clueless "Neo-Darwinian bullies", which is Lynn Margulis term, not mine, although it is for the same reason.

So you get the honerary repost of my ground-rules, and you can either adddress this, or shut your willfully ignorant mouth, fool, because your accusations are hollow and weak.

Either address the points, or we're done, punk.

There, another name for you to use to claim that I don't do what you can't do.

island said...

http://evolutionarydesign.blogspot.com/2006/09/ground-rules-for-this-forum-for-anon.html

island said...

T DWORSKY, that was an accident that has been rectified. You have to open a special window at the bottom of the post to allow comments, and I usually forget until after I review it the first time. I always allow comments on my blog that go uncensored regardless of how destructive the conversation gets, unlike the fools that I commonly back into a corner.

Please help yourself. You are welcome to say whatever you'd like to say in the article that you wanted to reply to.

Neo-Darwinian Anticentrist Extremist said...

Bla Bla Bla... no idiot, those links are to articles that were peer reviewed by physicists after getting past the pre-screening PhD physicist moderator.

It's called moderation, and as long as it's not flaming, entirely irrelvant or just spam it pretty much gets through. They don't offer their endorsement or approval, they merely check you don't go accusing people of things like 'wilful denial' when they read your pots.

Peer review is when you've had an article approved for publishing in a reputable journal such as Physical Review D or Nature. You can put it as a professional accomplishment when applying for jobs. None of this anthropic stuff you post to the news group could be. Get your facts right.

I didn't come here to discuss physics, either. I've just seen you about the place threadcrapping, and I just wanted to tell you that the reason why you never get taken seriously is because you're rude, abrasive, and all too willing to call people names rather than debate calmly and rationally.

I decided on that approach because it was so apt. After all, you've come onto the blog of many people, starting with insults and claims that they're 'wilfully ignorant' of your strange ideas.

And I knew you'd just post slogans and call names. That is after all, what you do.

Tell you what, if you ever do publish an arXiv paper, then I might think something of you. But I know I'll never see anything like that from you. You'll just continue to coast the net, finding blogs where people just express an idea, not actually personally attacking you (although they may once you've threadcrapped them) and then proceed to make yourself a pain until they tire of you.

I've encountered others who have ideas contrary to mine, and I've actually debated it properly with them and learned something. This is called academia. It's where mainstream research scientists do their work. It's where debates are conducted in a calm, rational and friendly manner. If someone feels they have a differing view, they don't accuse them of 'appealing to authority' or being a 'neo-darwinian bully', they just point out their difference of opinion.

I'm not going to call you a moron, or an assclown, or anything that you would call me. Rather, I'm just going to say you're irrelevant to modern physics, and highly amusing to afficionados of fringe physics such as myself, and many others.

And thinking that we're done... well, yes. I've pretty much said everything I wanted to say, and indeed I've come away with the response I was expecting - just a load of stuff which indicates you have a rather exaggerated opinion of your own importance to science, and also you've responded in textbook physics crank fashion: i.e. claims that physics is all wrong, rude personal attacks... the list continues.

But hey... don't worry. You're providing amusement to the web. That's a good thing. Take it on the road around physics meetings - I think the reviews would ensure you have a great future as a comedian.

See you around, island. When I'm feeling a bit down about some work I'm doing, I can look at your rants about the anthropic principle, split my sides (this is all very funny) and then carry on cheerfully.

And just so you know my name, I'm the Neo-Darwinian Anticentrist Extremist. Anon's what my friends call me.

island said...

Still nothing but meaningless rhetoric.

Run and hide before I challenge you to take this to the moderated forum where you won't even get a post through because you don't even know what their charter is.

island said...

And just so you know my name, I'm the Neo-Darwinian Anticentrist Extremist. Rob Knopp... "Issue Avoidance King" is what my friends call me.

Neo-Darwinian Anticentrist Extremist said...

I regularly look at sci.physics.research, and I'm well aware of you. How do you think I found you in the first place?

I hold you in the same esteem as I do 'Uncle Al'. And ultimately, I have much, much better things to do than debate a highly controversial idea that really has nothing to do with noncommutative field theory anyway with a shrill, rude play-physicist. That's called real theoretical physics, island. Not some badly malformed human-centric version of the anthropic principle.

But still - I've proved my point. You're rude, abrasive, and ultimately an irrelevance. I just came here to see how you'd react to someone who did to you what you do to other people, and I got a stellar performance - slogans, insults, the usual rubbish.

If you ever get into a proper conference and give a speech, I'm definitely putting my name down. It'll be hilarious.

Maybe I'll drop by sometime again when I feel bored and want to procrastinate. But right now, I have work to do.

Post something really, truly funny next time. Maybe start claiming -1 * -1 = 1 is wrong or something... I have faith you'll come up with a classic.

Neo-Darwinian Anticentrist Extremist said...

And just so you know my name, I'm the Neo-Darwinian Anticentrist Extremist. Rob Knopp... "Issue Avoidance King" is what my friends call me.

Sorry, island. I'm not him. By the looks of it he had enough of you

I'm just some guy who happens to have seen you around the net, and wanted to confront you for... well... spamming and being overly rude to a lot of people.

And of course, I've found your website intensely amusing for ages before I knew of Rob Knopp's blog. I just decided after seeing so much rubbish posted to so many blogs you needed to know how stupid you really look.

You have, however, succeeded in entertaining me for quite a while. Been quite a while since I've had a proper, good old net-argument, rather than an informed debate.

Anyway. I have work to do. See you when I need a laugh again.

island said...

Until you address my physics, you are just blowing hot air out of your ass, but keep on pretending like you've actually made a point until hell freezes over if you want to.

The fool wants me to submit a paper so that he can come and laugh at me at a conference for writing a scientific paper. Which is exactly a good reason never to do so. Kinda like Alan Guth holding up a picture of a monkey Neil Turok, (professor of applied mathematics and theoretical physics at Britain's Cambridge University), to insult him in front of all of his peers. These guys are a real bunch of winners, and "anon's" continued failure to address one lousy physics point proves that he is no different from the rest of them.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20192903-2703,00.html

Neo-Darwinian Extremist Loserman-letterman-philips-adams said...

If you'd produced a scientific paper, island, I wouldn't laugh at you. I'd have something to look at then, rather than the insults you enjoy throwing at others.

But the fact that you haven't ever, and probably will never do so means I don't have anything to judge you on aside from shoddy websites and insults.

And as I have repeatedly said, I didn't come here to address physics. I came here to address you. If I see you pop up in arXiv with something respectable, then I'd come by and probably at least say I was wrong that you were a play-scientist. But somehow I never think I'll see anything from you in any sector of respectable academia.

Hmmm... bored now. I'm off to look at real physics.

island said...

If you ever get into a proper conference and give a speech, I'm definitely putting my name down. It'll be hilarious.

If you'd produced a scientific paper, island, I wouldn't laugh at you.


Wow, a self-proven liar, or he thinks that I'm going to speak at a conference without writing a paper.

Hmmm... bored now. I'm off to look at real physics.

This is about his fifteenth threat that he's leaving.

A self-proven liar^2

And as I have repeatedly said, I didn't come here to address physics.

Translation:
"And as I have repeatedly demonstated, I can't address your physics", so I continue to bash you personally instead, while ignoring all the conversations that island has had with physicists that aren't full of crap, like me.

Neo-Darwinian ah you know the rest said...

I decided to carve out some 'special time' for you. I'm just doing some stuff for next week. Right now, I've got plenty of time just to sit back, relax and argue .

I think you would probably try and get into a conference without writing a paper. I've seen plenty of quacks do that, and the amount of speeches I've sat through on fringe theories at conferences is more than I'd like to admit.

But hey - if you write a paper, it goes down a storm and you happen to win the respect of the physics community in general, I would not laugh at you.

We all know that won't happen. Instead we'll just see more spam in threads.

And as for me leaving... well, I decided to give myself the evening off. You made me have a change of heart.

And me bashing you? Well, you've had it coming for all those you've bashed yourself. I'm quite happy to be bashed myself, as well, I used to netfight. It's kind of a reminder of halycon days gone by.

island said...

Again you ignore many honest conversations that I've had that didn't include all the crap that you accuse me of, why?

Neo-Darwinian ACELLPA said...

I've seen you on sci.physics.research. You seem to behave there because you'd be deleted otherwise.

Maybe if you behaved on blogs you might manage to get a little respect out of those whose blogs you post on. If I had a blog, I'd be quite happy to debate rationally, rather than have accusations of 'neo-darwinian extremism' as soon as you read something you don't like.

island said...

You seem to behave there because you'd be deleted otherwise.

You've got that right, but neither does the other side get a chance to say baseless crap that sets me off.

I'd be quite happy to debate rationally, rather than have accusations of 'neo-darwinian extremism' as soon as you read something you don't like.

Nono... it's something that they say that requires that they ignore what I've just said.

If you want to have a rational debate, then lets do it. Point for point, without malice.

island said...

So, here I leave it for now. I have things to do, but I'll be back later to accept my surely inevitable challenge in the nicest possible way conceivable... *sweet smile*

Neo-Darwinist Loserman-letterman-Phillips-Adams said...

I know you'd just claim that I am a neo-darwinian extremist at some point, and then write a blog post calling me a loser as I know you're going to do after I've gone. I've seen enough of what you've done on other blogs to know you can't keep your cool that long.

But consider this: be a bit more polite in future, try and be more professional, and maybe I and others would take you seriously. Somehow I don't think that's going to happen though. There'll be more blogcrap.

I look forward to seeing your next angry post about all of this, anyway.

Catch you around. Don't forget to say I was a 'neo-darwinian loser scared of the anthropic principle' and 'someone who couldn't address the physics so he ran away'.

The real explanation is I'm off to sleep, and get on with my life. Go to college, get a PhD, write a paper and get on with yours.

island said...

Hey, at least you didn't call me a crackpot.

Thanks.